You scaled across industries from your own startups like before that NIIT. And then your own customer assets startup right in BPO and then education start up and then health care. So maybe first of all, how do you pick these like, how do you like any pattern recognition? You have growth story through which so let's start with that any suggestions for people or your own learnings from that, right? Oh, yeah, so you picking opportunities here. So the way i look at it. now. I mean some of it is opportunistic whatever happened but over the last five six years at least whatever we are doing is more deliberate. So we're looking at spaces where we believe that there is a very large problem to be waiting to be solved. Is there a need gap are people willing to pay for that problem that they need to be solved and if you come up with a solution will people miss it if that solution is taken away. So that's from a need gap. Quantification perspective the second thing for me is always is it is it aligning with our own strength? We are not technology. Gurus who can come up with something very innovative whole new product. But what we can do is we understand consumer behavior. We understand how to fulfill the needs we know how to use technology to run very large operations, you know how to scale we know how to build teams that can deliver really good quality outcome for customers. How do we align the opportunity with our capabilities the third is this something that can become very large. Is it big enough is it make big enough impact on people's life. That is something which is also important given that we are in at this stage of our careers. Is that becomes a very important concern.Got it. These are all good benchmarks putting opportunity size in the fitment with strength and the eventual impact that can have right so that that's great good framework and for you you personally as a Founder what have been some of the like some of the learnings as you scale over time key takeaways and some of the resources or people who helped or whatever that you can talk about. Yeah. Well, I started as the founder of co-founder of customer asset. I think I was extraordinarily immature in life when it came to start up as a then really good work in a corporate sector, but moving out of the the comfort zone and Structure of corporate into a start-up environment is very different and there was a lot of learning, you know, we had to do literally anything and everything to make it work. And that was a that really changed me. I think because no longer. Can you depend on some an invisible hand somewhere in the corporate structure to make things happen for you? Everything is either you do it or it doesn't get done? Yeah, so that was something which was a huge learning. The second for me was because I ran the entire operations of that of the BPO company was about building large teams in whether it is in Microsoft or Pricewaterhouse or in NIIT. The team structures are there but they were all small teams here at thousands of people so building that kind of structure layered structure making sure that everybody is aligned towards the goal and going through very difficult times of not paying people salary. Still asking them to do a really good job. That was another learning. You know annealing through fire. I would say literally so in terms of how do you keep your team together? How do you build a great team? And how do you keep them together? There was a big learning there. And of course, I've always had comfort with technology, but when the technology is what your business depends on and that in the country where infrastructure was extraordinarily poor finding ways around that but something very interesting for me to learn because we had a CTO he did he was the primary driver and that but constantly looking at how do you overcome the gaps that are there in the system the world around you two still deliver a really good experience. That was a big learning for me also in my first startup thereafter the next one Tutorvista, I think. That in Portea as well. It's the domain that I have learned and learned huge amounts about the education and the health care sector both of which were absolutely unknown to me only knew it as a user rather than as somebody who's worked in that so the amount of learning that has done is it was incredible and that has, again and again, brought me back. To the point that most important thing that goes for all of us is our ability to learn and ability to change and if that is not core to you, then you would really struggle to grow in your life. Whether you're in a corporate job or your startup person your willingness to shed a lot of your ego and say I can learn from anybody and everybody and do whatever it takes to to become capable of delivering whatever you're promising anything. That is the biggest takeaway for me over the last few startups that I have done and it's very exciting because every day you're learning something new. Yeah, and you also work with a lot of Founders, right? That's right, but isn't it obvious to most people that it's important to learn and change or do you think that's a it's a tough skill for people is yeah see what happens. Is that even if you are a completely new area of startup you go and you may go in with a lot of preconceived notions of how things should work or how How this industry would work if specially came within industry background if you don't have an industry background because you go with a completely open open mind what happens though, even then people tend to take positions in that. This is what I have come up with and this is great. This is the right thing for the industry. But what I have learned is that there's no such thing as absolutely perfect the whichever company we have built as taken so many different directions and so many different changes have About that dynamism and flexibility is something which I believe is the most important thing that I have learned out of all this and what prepare you for that or what why you always flexible and willing to change or is it a mindset? They always had or you have to develop I think as such that something which is I would say a genetic flaw in me is that I get bored with something which is very predictable and something I think I know when I am, I feel that at this hour I'm missing something if I know something really, well, I have to find out what is it? I am missing. Why is it that I think I know that is something you will always look for and find data and then change. Yes on that and let's see many of the entrepreneurs chatted with in the series talk about the same thing meanest change.